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	<title>Comments on: RSF&#8217;s Lending Process As Inspired By Rudolf Steiner</title>
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		<title>By: tom norman</title>
		<link>http://rsfsocialfinance.org/2009/07/rsfs-lending-process-as-inspired-by-rudolf-steiner/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>tom norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Community-based&quot; pricing model, I am intrigued.

&quot;Community-based&quot; pricing immediately puts me into the inquiry of, &quot;Is this an improvement that brings borrower and lender together cementing a more solid relationship without abridging the self interests of either but clarifying them so they determine more effectively the old fashioned way if it is a good deal for them or not?... 

Or is this an &#039;ideal&#039; that asks them to set aside their self interest and put the community first and so arises not out of the economic forces, but out of economic activity that leaves the &quot;community&quot; &#039;feeling&#039; they got a better or &#039;more fair&#039; economic deal...?

Or is it an &#039;ideal&#039; out of the rights activity in the community? In the latter, it would then be a critique of open market pricing in favor of the new more-equitable-to-all model?

So with that as background...please tell me more about &#039;community-based&#039; pricing model. My comment and question is kind of like a &#039;better mouse trap&#039; question. I am interested in deepening my understanding of how to improve the mouse trap, which in the analogy arises purely out of the economic sector or life or forces.

How is equity determined?... equity, which seems central to all pricing. How do the lender and borrower across a necessarily two sided table arrive at consensus differently than traditional open market price formation?


In other words, each has a valid point of view and self interest to be articulated, fully and freely expressed and exercised ...so they go forward into the future having left nothing on the table behind.  

How does the &#039;community-based&#039; pricing model augment or surplant that?

On the level of &#039;being fair&#039; itself, is their intelligence in the community-based model or the community in short that is not being introduced between lender and borrower in the open market?

Is it outside of the oversight of the &#039;rights-life&#039; which stands outside of the economic life? 

...[These questions are posed inside of the assumption that there is in existence a &#039;vital&#039; rights life or necessary &#039;fair playing field&#039;  oversight in existence... and so the new model is not working out of or on the rights sector down into the economic sector.]

Or alternatively... Is in fact the &#039;community-based&#039; pricing system seeking to address the lack of a fair playing field, something that is a structural or systemic unfairness. 

Tom Norman
tomdnorman@sbcglobal.net

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Community-based&#8221; pricing model, I am intrigued.</p>
<p>&#8220;Community-based&#8221; pricing immediately puts me into the inquiry of, &#8220;Is this an improvement that brings borrower and lender together cementing a more solid relationship without abridging the self interests of either but clarifying them so they determine more effectively the old fashioned way if it is a good deal for them or not?&#8230; </p>
<p>Or is this an &#8216;ideal&#8217; that asks them to set aside their self interest and put the community first and so arises not out of the economic forces, but out of economic activity that leaves the &#8220;community&#8221; &#8216;feeling&#8217; they got a better or &#8216;more fair&#8217; economic deal&#8230;?</p>
<p>Or is it an &#8216;ideal&#8217; out of the rights activity in the community? In the latter, it would then be a critique of open market pricing in favor of the new more-equitable-to-all model?</p>
<p>So with that as background&#8230;please tell me more about &#8216;community-based&#8217; pricing model. My comment and question is kind of like a &#8216;better mouse trap&#8217; question. I am interested in deepening my understanding of how to improve the mouse trap, which in the analogy arises purely out of the economic sector or life or forces.</p>
<p>How is equity determined?&#8230; equity, which seems central to all pricing. How do the lender and borrower across a necessarily two sided table arrive at consensus differently than traditional open market price formation?</p>
<p>In other words, each has a valid point of view and self interest to be articulated, fully and freely expressed and exercised &#8230;so they go forward into the future having left nothing on the table behind.  </p>
<p>How does the &#8216;community-based&#8217; pricing model augment or surplant that?</p>
<p>On the level of &#8216;being fair&#8217; itself, is their intelligence in the community-based model or the community in short that is not being introduced between lender and borrower in the open market?</p>
<p>Is it outside of the oversight of the &#8216;rights-life&#8217; which stands outside of the economic life? </p>
<p>&#8230;[These questions are posed inside of the assumption that there is in existence a 'vital' rights life or necessary 'fair playing field'  oversight in existence... and so the new model is not working out of or on the rights sector down into the economic sector.]</p>
<p>Or alternatively&#8230; Is in fact the &#8216;community-based&#8217; pricing system seeking to address the lack of a fair playing field, something that is a structural or systemic unfairness. </p>
<p>Tom Norman<br />
<a href="mailto:tomdnorman@sbcglobal.net">tomdnorman@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
<p>p.s.: I recreated this in layers. Pardon wordiness. It was very frustrating because I clicked on &#8220;Manage you subscriptions:&#8221; below&#8230; since it looked like that was next to do before the button &#8220;Submit Comment&#8221;. To my dismay, when I returned [from having made no changes to my subscription] my comment space was empty &#8212; ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: tom norman</title>
		<link>http://rsfsocialfinance.org/2009/07/rsfs-lending-process-as-inspired-by-rudolf-steiner/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>tom norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the above for those who may wonder. Loan wears out over time, and then its residual, the redeemed loan capital that also is exhausted of its capacity to loan again, a separate condition, is gifted to be restored back to trade capital. And, in the meantime, there are not strings attached to the gift. 

If any reader has question or comment on that, I would like to read it.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the above for those who may wonder. Loan wears out over time, and then its residual, the redeemed loan capital that also is exhausted of its capacity to loan again, a separate condition, is gifted to be restored back to trade capital. And, in the meantime, there are not strings attached to the gift. </p>
<p>If any reader has question or comment on that, I would like to read it.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Siegfried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siegfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther:
Nicely done. You have a soft touch for someone in the lending business. I wonder if we also distinguish carefully between what is a loan and what is a gift. Steiner described differences that must be hobored as part of good relationship. With money, all transactions should be transparent, personal and clearly differentiated, especially since we do almost everything.

Don&#039;t bother to answer. I just wanted you to know that I read it and liked what you said!
Siegfried</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther:<br />
Nicely done. You have a soft touch for someone in the lending business. I wonder if we also distinguish carefully between what is a loan and what is a gift. Steiner described differences that must be hobored as part of good relationship. With money, all transactions should be transparent, personal and clearly differentiated, especially since we do almost everything.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bother to answer. I just wanted you to know that I read it and liked what you said!<br />
Siegfried</p>
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